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Sep. 29th, 2005 @ 03:39 pm Moral Relativism
“Relative Moralism”; a concept shunned by most organized religions. Essentially, it recognizes that societies are built upon commonly agreed-to “Game Rules” (the larger and more sweeping of these usually codified into Law), but these Rules are often contradictory amongst themselves, and sometimes even contradicts the mammalian primate behaviors of humans. More tension and conflict arises when two cultures meet, due to the fact that many of these Game Rules (especially those that are not Laws) are unspoken, ingrained, and highly conditioned.

In addition, Tribal Culture dictates actions that define it as different from the rest of Humanity, most often through essentially meaningless habits and symbols. Because these actions are habitual, most people cannot recognize that the majority of their behavior makes absolutely no sense to someone from outside their culture.

Relative Moralism attempts to reconcile different Cultures by establishing larger Game Rules that everyone can agree upon, and leaving the rest alone. However, most people are unable to avoid their own habits, so the system, while mostly effective, becomes flawed when language breaks down, and compromises cannot be reached.

So, people can indeed have separate sets of morals, like the Jew that eats pork, or the Catholic who doesn’t think the Pope speaks for God. This does indeed imply that there is no “ultimate” right and wrong: Even something as big as “don’t kill people” breaks down in the likes of war, death penalty, abortion, self-defense, etc. Most organized religions don’t like this, because they are partially founded on the belief that they have “the” answer to “everything”.

As far as determining overall what is right and wrong, you could go for “do unto others as you would have them do unto you,” or “Love, and do as you will,” or even go so far as to say “if it doesn’t harm anyone, it is permissible.” Of course, a person can find outlandish examples in the extreme regions of this (my favorite is, why not eat the dead? It’s certainly not harming anyone), but so far, it’s the best we can do in a so-called “free society”.
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earfatigue:
Sep. 27th, 2005 @ 02:29 pm Are we worse off with God?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1798944,00.html

It seems obvious: If you put you life in someone else's hands, you relinquish personal responsibility, which leads to atrocity.
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earfatigue:
Sep. 14th, 2005 @ 03:49 am All in the name of religion...........
Now where exactly does Indonesian Law end and religious law begin? These women would have been murdered if they didn't recieve sentence, so I'm guessing they shoud be grateful?

Isn't religious practise just great.

Now wheres my Lions.
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micklawson:
Sep. 7th, 2005 @ 08:45 pm Christianity and water
I really like C.S. Lewis because he was a thinking Christian. I find that thinking Christians are hard to come by (which is one reason I began this community). I was recently reading Mere Christianity and I came to the chapter entitled The Invasion which I believe does a wonderful job of addressing the ideas of dualism (the yin/yang which a commenter recently mentioned) and Satan (which I believe to be as real as I). Because I think it is an interesting piece of reading, I have placed it beneath the following cut. On print, it is about three and a quarter pages long but I still recommend reading it, whether you are Christian or not.

Very well then, atheism is too simple.Collapse )

What do you think? Do you agree that wickedness is the pursuit of some good in the wrong way or do you think that one can be bad for the mere sake of being bad? Do you think C.S. Lewis is in line with the Bible in his statements or do you think he has misrepresented the Word? Do you think that C.S. Lewis adequately addresses Dualism and adequately debunks the idea? Do you believe in Satan?
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deleriumb32:
Sep. 6th, 2005 @ 01:09 pm Suddenly, I was struck with a thought...
YHWH threw Lucifer into Hell.

Lucifer runs Hell, and it's apparently his job to run the place & he goes out into the world to tempt us and lure us into going against YHWH.

Some of us are called on to do Lucifer's bidding, and to help lure more people away from YHWH.

So, when those people go to Hell, what reason does Lucifer have to punish them? I mean, they were doing his bidding and everything.

Not to mention, Lucifer's sin was both pride, and a stubborn willfullnes, and it's not like YHWH can punish him any worse (as Hell is supposedly the worst place in the universe). So why doesn't Lucifer rebel more, and refuse to punish the damned?

Just curious.
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earfatigue:
Sep. 5th, 2005 @ 06:32 pm (no subject)
"Every religion has its own idea, because it is a fiction. You don't have different ideas about the sun. You don't have different ideas about the rose. You can only have different ideas about a fiction."

Osho
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cometomorrow:
Sep. 1st, 2005 @ 02:48 pm same old question
Of course every natural disaster brings the Atheist to question the Theist, "where was God?" To which the Theist can reply in a variety of ways, usually involving the concept of "God works in mysterious ways." No doubt hurricane Katrina brings up the same question.

A friend of mine recounted a story of a woman who lived in the area affected but fled to Arkansas in the evacuation. Sitting in a Starbucks, the woman was able to establish, via cellphone, that her home had been relatively unaffected. Being a religious woman, her natural response was, "God was looking out for us." What unfortunately must follow from that path of logic is that "God was NOT looking out for everyone else." One could make a logical case for each of these assertions if the person spared was the pinnacle of humanity while those destroyed were all sinners. But neither of these is the case. (The man installing my new oven today implied that many of the poor who got hurt/killed in New Orleans deserved it: "they were being lazy, just waiting for somebody to come along and help them instead of helping themselves and leaving.")

This reminds me of another disaster story a friend told me of a tornado in Salt Lake City, Utah that plowed through downtown destroying two gay bars but leaving a church untouched. An act of God or an interesting coincidence?

God's role in disasters such as these was already discussed in this forum around the time of the tsunami, but I would welcome it again if it comes to that.

My question is this: does it make you a bad person to believe that God had a hand in helping you out of harm's way when others were harmed? Or is that a beautiful example of faith helping you get through trying times?
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shaquanda36:
Aug. 20th, 2005 @ 06:14 pm i wonder how true this could really be....
"If Musa bn. Nusayr had been able to conquer Europe, he would have made it Muslim and would have saved it from the darkness of the middle ages which, thanks to the Arabs, Spain did not know." Gustave Lebon
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mistykiss:
Aug. 5th, 2005 @ 04:50 pm krishna
Current Mood: curiouscurious
Current Music: George Harrison - Brainwashed
'ello all! this is my first post in here although i've read through some. I was looking for some opinion on this.
i am a huge beatles fan, and through george harrison have found hindu/krishna movement. i haven't done to much research on it so i wanted to know what anyone thought, or knew about it.
peace and love
shelby.
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diga_pony:
Aug. 3rd, 2005 @ 10:06 am Choice- some thoughts I had
To me Choice is the closest we can come to an answer to the age old question of "why?" The big 'Why' as in 'why are we all here?, why did God bother with the universe?' Without choice what value would love have? From the very begining God designed us with choice. God did that knowing full well what we would do with that choice. Unbound by time God knew that we would would choose hate and violence, that we would make war, and God even knew that I would choose to lie today. Does that make it any less my choice? No! God made us with free will, with choice! We were created with the option to say ' no, I will not love you God". I think the reason for this choice is to give value to our love. To me the fact that God gave us the choice to love him or not colors much of my theology. If it was important enough to God to risk losing Creation, then it must be important.

Where does evil come in? I think evil is the consequences of people choosing to turn away from God. (I'm not sure where the devil fits in) But most evil is human and because I believe in the Good Shepherd who mourns over even one lost sheep, I think that no one is past forgiveness. That even someone like Hitler could be redeemed, unfortunately people like that seldom turn back to God and that is why there is such a place as Hell. Not because God is a vengeful God that sends the children of Earth to torment for being naughty, but because people choose to walk away from God. The history of scripture from the book of Genesis to Revelations is the story of a merciful God who constantly and steadfastly reaches out for us. That is why our purpose as the servants of God is to help reconcile the world to it's Creator. That is our primary purpose everything else is filler.

Why would we choose to commit ourselves to that servanthood? Because we have experienced the love of God in some way. It could be as simple as seeing the love of God reflected in a parent who takes us to church or it can be a mountaintop Revelations-type experience. In the face of God's love, we all must make a choice. Do we accept that love and seek to reflect and share it being obedient to the One who loves up or do we revolt and run? Out of fear, ignorance, or selfishness- I'm not sure, I never ran too far from God, just Christ. If one chooses to say no, is that decision for live? I don't think so. When is it too late to change your choice, death? I'm not sure. I just know that it is foolish to attempt to limit the mercy and love of God and that we need to be out there in the world showing people God's love.
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stjamesgal: